i have yet to see a feminist/sjw make a decent rebuttal against this argument.
Sigh. Here’s your argument.
Do you think this is the first time someone has slyly said, “Hey, how come we can say ‘Not all Muslims!’ and ‘Not all black people!’ but not ‘Not all men!’?”…? Are you seriously saying that this “flawless logic” has never been introduced before and has never been refuted before? You live a very sheltered life, my friend.
I almost don’t want to do this. But I just can’t let it go.
To start with, the people who generally introduce the “How come we can say ‘Not all Muslims’ and ‘Not all black people’ but we can’t do the same for men,” rhetoric tend to be privileged white guys. I’m not just pulling this out of thin air; this has been my personal experience with the dozens and dozens of people I have witnessed trying to use this argument. Of course, it doesn’t have to be a white guy who uses this argument. But it usually tends to be. So right away you have a red flag.
Okay. Moving on. (I almost can’t believe I have to spell this out for you…) When people say “Not all Muslims!” and “Not all black people!” it’s in response to accusations that these two groups of people are all violent criminals, radicals, and thugs who are out to murder every innocent person out there and bring destruction upon society. Stereotypes about black people and Muslims—both generally very marginalized groups in the Western world (I assume we’re talking on a Western world scale here)—are not only statistically FALSE (here’s a nice little reference for you to look at; click on the stats and you’ll find their sources) but they actually get real life black people and Muslims arrested, beaten, and killed for no reason other than the fact that they’re black or Muslim (God save the black Muslim man; I shudder to think of what his fate is).
Let me restate this: people say “Not all Muslims!” and “Not all black people!” in response to FAULTY claims that all black people and all Muslims are violent thugs and murderous radicals. (Wanna know a secret? It’s actually white males who have committed the most violent crime and hate crime in the U.S. alone. Please reference the link I linked above for sources.) And not only are these claims false and highly defamatory, they spread anti-black sentiment and Islamophobia to the point where black people and Muslims can’t live in safety because people have these ideas about them. So OF COURSE people are going to say “Not all Muslims!” and “Not all black people!” so they can possibly try to educate someone and stop them from having bigoted thoughts about marginalized groups so that the people in those groups can live in safety.
Moving on. I’d like to start off by saying that I’ve almost never seen a feminist saying “All men are rapists,” or whatever. I think most people are sensible enough to realize that, quite obviously, not all men are racists. But all men ARE part of a patriarchal structure in society that propels rape culture and devalues women. And even though not all men may be physical aggressors, all men are definitely complicit in these societal structures if they stay silent about them. And even though not all men may be violent and aggressors, ALL WOMEN can be victims. (I mean this in the literal and legal sense; victims of crime and misogyny. If a woman who has been affected in some way doesn’t want to personally see herself as a “victim” she definitely has the right to do so.)
Furthermore, unlike in the situations of black people and Muslims, statistics DO support the fact that a VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF MEN GLOBALLY rape, assault, and harm women. Not all men, of course, gotta throw that in there so you guys don’t get too uncomfortable, but ENOUGH MEN DO that we have a widespread GLOBAL issue with men harming women (and men harming men, to be completely honest; most of the violent crime men are victims of is also perpetrated by other men). Here is a thing you should probably read, and it also links to several sources.
Okay, but moving on. I’ve covered how, statistically speaking, men don’t actually have much of a leg to stand on. Obviously we know not every man in the world has assaulted and/or raped and/or murdered a woman but there are far too many men who have, and do, for this to simply be another faulty and defamatory accusation against men, the way accusations against black people and Muslims are.
(By the way, pointing out these statistics isn’t even accusing men of anything. You know how accusations against black people work? “I think all black people are thugs, so YOU”—*points to individual random black man on the street*—“must be a thug too!” And this, ladies and gents, is how little black boys and girls like Trayvon Martin get killed. This is how Muslim people get hurt, like that Muslim girl who had hot coffee thrown in her face by some angry white guy in McDonald’s this past September 11th. But pointing out these statistics to men? It’s not doing the same thing. It’s saying, “Hey, look at this, a wildly large amount of men do this, if you don’t do it that’s great, but staying silent is staying complicit so how about you openly call out the men that DO do this.”)
But okay. We’ve addressed that. What about the after-effect? Do any of these “accusations” against men have any sort of real effect on their safety…pay…job choices…lives…?
Oh dear me, I think I hear the sound of crickets chirping.
We don’t have an issue with society taking these (completely valid) points, topics, and statistics about male-on-female violence and crime—and then going out to attack men and hurt men for it. Men aren’t actually being affected in real life. I mean sure, maybe a woman was mean to a guy once because he opened the door for her at a store, but otherwise…are we seeing an epidemic of men being targeted in real life, harassed, hurt, killed, beaten, abused, fired from jobs, thrown in jail, etc, because of these “accusations” against them?
No. No, we are not.
Now I’m going to make this slightly personal. You comparing women talking about their experiences where living life has become an actual nightmare (let me make this painfully clear: we don’t know if we’re going to be alive tomorrow, just because some guy might lose his mind and go on yet another slaughtering spree because he’s mad that women rejected him or something) to RACIST RHETORIC—rhetoric that completely IGNORES HIERARCHIES OF POWER AND PRIVILEGE IN PLACE to degrade and abuse people of color—shows that you have no understanding of privilege or power and how they work in systematic oppression. I’m so embarrassed for you because YOUR rhetoric is more similar to racist rhetoric if you’re ignoring the fact that the institutions are made up of men and therefore accusations against women actually do affect their health, safety, right to their own bodies, and livelihood…whereas accusations against men affect nothing but, again, their feelings.
Which is something you even pointed out in your comic but “cleverly” (I guess) decided to try and negate with “But haha aren’t you using racist-similar rhetoric now?”
Haha, no we’re not. This was such a weak attempt. Please don’t try again.
Oh, and it must be nice to live in your comic world where it’s the man getting harassed by the woman. Unfortunately, in the real world, it’s usually men who lose their temper when arguing with a woman. And then they kill the woman. But, you know, sure.